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Post by lustria on May 6, 2014 21:31:19 GMT
Recently the nation of Mines of Moria has been seen trying to trick WPO leaders out of having to pay reparations, trying to cause war and trying to blame I, Lustria for things that he has done, by editing screen shots of my nation. Therefore, WPO had decided to enact 'Operation Collapsing the Mine'.
The operation entitles Moria being temporarily kicked from WPO as we captrue his territories on continent 47 and 51. This will deal a severe blow to Moria but will not kill him.
I am telling you this becuase I expect no members of PANCAKES to assistist Moria, we are not killing him, and this is a WPO matter. Also, this is an example of WPO discipline. We do not wish for war but anyone whom tries to create havoc and war are swiftly disciplined in WPO. Do note this is not a threat, I have no quarrel with PANCAKE members nor other WPO members, just something to take into comsideration if you are thinking of crossing WPO or tying to create a war.
I want RP to be a peaceful place but there are people like Moria who are intent on creating mayhem and war, and I feel that these people should be disciplined and I would hope that PANCAKES will suppprt me in this.
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Post by New Socialistia on May 6, 2014 22:25:44 GMT
What?! Taking those territories will shove him into general strike, at which point he's good as dead! Moria is still a BAC0N signatory, and no evidence of faked screenshots or ill intention was given.
New Socialistia denounces the WPO until ample evidence is given or these aggressive actions stop.
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Post by toawesomeforepic on May 6, 2014 23:49:44 GMT
We the people of the Notsofreeland though not an ally of Mines of Moria, or a signatory of Pancakes or Bacon, will also denounce that actions of any WPO member that participates in operation collapse the mine, until proper evidence is given.
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Post by New Socialistia on May 7, 2014 0:47:47 GMT
Based on the nations actually attacking and a bit of thought, this seems to be an attempt to gain more GDP due possibly to BANANA blocking colonization of new continents. Dearest Leader Juanman frowns upon this expansionist and frankly Lemon-esque behavior. Instead of simply kicking him from the WPO, Moria has to have all of his colonial assets seized with no evidence provided. New Socialistia requests that all territory seized thus far be returned to Moria, and that Moria's punishment if found guilty by an international court simply be banishment from the WPO. BAC0N is on Moria's side thus far, and this action could be considered a violation. All trade has been cut with WTO members, and I encourage others to do the same. Edit: Moria has told me the following. Already been doing the top one.
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Post by lustria on May 7, 2014 7:50:06 GMT
I am on a phone right now so I shall send print screens next turn. Also, New Socialista I would like to remind you all that I asked all the leaders of PANCAKES and the members of BACON if they would allow this action, and all of you gave me permission to do so.
Also, do note that the territory taken is very minor. On continent 51, and I quote from Moria "about one square". Also, the land on continent 51 begloned to ZeaLand and is being returned to him. I would like to remmind you all that this incident is what caused the Choam - WPO war, and that it was Moria's fault that war broke out, I am merely returning the land to it's rightful owner, ZeaLand.
Also, the land on continent 47 was promised to ...the Mongols as a part of Artotskian Annexation Distribution Programme, so does not belong to Moria. Despite this Moria attackeded ...the Mongols and then when having to pay reparations tried to send all of his resources to an account he has complete power over, and then trying to blame it on me.
Fourthly, I am not taking any of the land, I have nothing to gain from this. All the land is being given to ...the Mongols and Zealand.
Finally, I have just had a look at Moria's GDP. His GDP has gone down by 300, we have only taken about 15 squares no where near enough to explain the 300 GDP. Moria must have a massive surplus and is once again trying to trick the RP community.
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 9:38:14 GMT
I think it is finally time for me to explain the situation with the minimum amount of bias and exaggeration, which Lustria has been injecting into his posts. Firstly, let me present to you the events that led up to this unjustified attack. After Artzokah's fall, his land was divided between members of the WPO. In Lustria's ignorance, he gave the entire Continent 47 to ...the Mongols, even though I already owned over half and was still colonising the area. Lustria demanded me to leave the continent which I obviously declined; it is to note that the territory I gained on con.47 was in fact my very first colony. The debate continued, and finally it was decided that I would withdraw somewhat, ceding some land to ...the Mongols and creating a DMZ between our two borders. They also demanded me to pay 3 rubber in reparations for 'hindering' the peace process Although reluctant I did accept, I refused to pay the 3 rubber however. In a rather devious attempt to not pay this measly amount of rubber, I decided to offload all my resources to a friend of mine, Lusria realised this and took a screenshot of this nation to prove what I had done. I then created a fake screenshot which showed Lustria with a ludicrous amount of resources, which I comically claimed to prove that Lustria was harbouring the resources. (This is the fake screenshot btw that Lusria is using to prove that I was planning to attack him.) It is to be also noted that the debate was far from a serious discussion, and as the reparations where only of 3 rubber, a very insignificant amount and a resource that most of us have upwards of 30 units, I didn't realise that not paying would have such deadly repercussions. Anyway so I eventually gave the 3 rubber around 3 days ago, and then yesterday Lustria, ...the Mongols, Templars and Zealand attacked me on Con.47 and Con.51 without any warning and proceeded to destroy my underprepared military and seize vast amounts of Territory. As you can see the argument that Lustria made to justify their attacks just don't hold water. The crime, which I do admit was wrong of me, was so minor and insignificant that this cannot be the reason for committing so many resources and organisation time just to punish this. In addition, in no way was any of this going to 'cause war', and it is obvious that I wouldn't do this considering how paranoid and warmongering Lusrtia is. And then the idea I was trying to blame lustria for 'what I have done' is also ridiculous, as a clearly photo shopped screenshot showing Lustria with insane amounts of resources proves in total a grand amount of around about nothing. Then in Lustria next post he says that I caused the war on Choam, and if anyone can remember the war with choam then you would know it had nothing to do with Con.51, and in fact to fighting actually occurred on that Continent. I would like to link these article from the original Real Politik article for context: www.realpolitik-game.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=449&p=1865&hilit=choam#p1865www.realpolitik-game.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=468&p=1940&hilit=choam#p1940And then finally he says that he has taken little territory, which is just a blatant lie, which is now causing my stability to deteriorate at an extraordinary rate, decreasing from 75% to 43% in a matter of a couple of turns. In conclusion, Lustria’s motivations are clearly not as he tries to claim, and the only reasons I can think for his attack is for pure territorial gains, as there is no reason for my actions to warrant so aggressive force used against me. Hell, think how many analogies I could stick into this situation to show you how preposterous Lustria’s reasoning is, but I will leave that up to you (unless forced to of course) So yes this is what happened, and if you have any further questions either post them here, or send me private message .
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Post by lustria on May 7, 2014 9:44:17 GMT
Moria, I am not debating the land you previously owned on C47 but you continued to expand after Artzotka's land was promised to ...the Mongols then attacked him to gain territory. Artzotka's land on C47 belonged to ...the Mongols.
Furthermore, the Choam - WPO was escalated by Artzotka but the reason it was considered was because ofof the attrocities you committed on C51. I shall post a print screen of this asap once I am on a computer.
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Post by lustria on May 7, 2014 9:51:22 GMT
However, I have am idea which should satisfy both sides. I propose a trail be held between WPO and Moria with an impartial Jury. Whatever is decreed I shall follow.
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 9:55:47 GMT
I look forward to the 'trail' I'm sure it will be very invigorating, a walk in the park even.
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Post by lustria on May 7, 2014 10:12:19 GMT
I am sorry I meant to say trial, I am on a phone so its easy to do errors whilst typing.
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 12:12:07 GMT
Moria, I am not debating the land you previously owned on C47 but you continued to expand after Artzotka's land was promised to ...the Mongols then attacked him to gain territory. Artzotka's land on C47 belonged to ...the Mongols. Furthermore, the Choam - WPO was escalated by Artzotka but the reason it was considered was because ofof the attrocities you committed on C51. I shall post a print screen of this asap once I am on a computer. And again, you seem to be unable to create a post without exaggerating way out of context. The one 'attack' between me and the Mongols was when I accidently moved a cavalry unit which i was withdrawing from his area, into one of his units causing around 4% damage, when i then offered to pay reparations of a couple of horses I was rejected. And to help clarify what he meant by 'attrocities', he means the taking of 6 squares currently owned by innactives, with no battles occuring whatsoever
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Post by lustria on May 7, 2014 13:17:28 GMT
Here are some print screens as evidence to what I am claiming: imgur.com/7FCGNyM,hL4AS1X#0 [PLEASE NOTE: for some reason it is not accepting the entire URL due to the comma so just copy and paste it, the area highlighted in blue is not the whole URL] this is of both Moria's account and the second account which he has a strong influence over, Raphalonia. As you can see Raphalonia has got 713999 rifles a number not possible to achieve without trade; whereas Moria has only 1 rifle a number also only achievable through trade. This clearly shows us that Moria has transferred his resources to a second account, and that Raphalonia has got too many resources in comparison to his land and military, which must have obviously come from Moria. This was in order to try and decieve us from having to send any trade. imgur.com/S1IGF5xhf this image is the one the Moria made to try and discredit my claim. It is clear that it is rediculous but it was in order to try and discretit my claim that he had send resources to other accounts. Ingore the first bit since as it turned out Moria did not do so in the end but he did come close to doing so when I saw hinm copy and paste the whole consitiution. However, as you can see Moria was attacking Zealand which led to the WPO - Choam war. However. Moria managed to convince artzostka that the war was zealand's fault; hence, the war started and the rest of WPO followed artzostka's orders. Moria has also been intent on causing war by constantly complaining to me that I try to keep RP to peaceful. Furthermore, as I said earlier Moria has gone into surplus to try and decieve us all that we have done more damage to his economy thanb we actually have. We have only taken 16 sqaures and yet somehow he has lost 300GDP. Even if they were all mounatins that is only 64GDP, so clearly Moria is being decietful. Moria also said my name on the WPO forum 4 times and stated that was my real name. I can show print screens to prove this, but I rather wouldn't to keep my name at least partially secret. I think this is a breach of privacy and is another example of malicious intent. Also, this was no accident since even after ...the Mongols asked him who that was he went to use it another two times. I quite frankly think that Moria is the troublsome one, but if everyone is happy I am willing to do a trial and whatever is decreed in the trail I shall agree to.
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 13:51:52 GMT
Your arguments are rising to an even more rediculous level. In what seems to be a suicidal effort to frame me, you are quoting information which you claimed that I told you IRL. Apart from being completely false, and obviously can not be backed up or proved at all, it is common practice not to use IRL information in these kind of situations.
Also I do regret using your name, but you must understand that I did not do this on purpose, and is a common mistake anyone can make when refering to someone you actually know. It is hardly difficult to subconsienly use their real name instead of their online name when talking to them. However note that even though he has admin status on the forum, he has not bothered to edit out his name on my posts, or even asked me to change them, which suggests that he can't have bene that concered with the situation. I am not trying to defend my actions, merely showing to you that the only reason he mentioned it was as a feeble reason to try to justify his actions
er I have never been in contact with artzostka so no, if you ever see him he will back me up on this
me and Zealand never engaged in combat so once again, no.
its also good to know that you eddited the screenshot about 1 second before you took it
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Post by unicornnation on May 7, 2014 14:47:58 GMT
Moria, I am not debating the land you previously owned on C47 but you continued to expand after Artzotka's land was promised to ...the Mongols then attacked him to gain territory. Artzotka's land on C47 belonged to ...the Mongols. Furthermore, the Choam - WPO was escalated by Artzotka but the reason it was considered was because ofof the attrocities you committed on C51. I shall post a print screen of this asap once I am on a computer. And again, you seem to be unable to create a post without exaggerating way out of context. The one 'attack' between me and the Mongols was when I accidently moved a cavalry unit which i was withdrawing from his area, into one of his units causing around 4% damage, when i then offered to pay reparations of a couple of horses I was rejected. And to help clarify what he meant by 'attrocities', he means the taking of 6 squares currently owned by innactives, with no battles occuring whatsoever Yet after that attack you took several days to move the offending unit out of his territory.
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Post by unicornnation on May 7, 2014 14:50:25 GMT
However note that even though he has admin status on the forum, he has not bothered to edit out his name on my posts, or even asked me to change them, which suggests that he can't have bene that concered with the situation. I am not trying to defend my actions, merely showing to you that the only reason he mentioned it was as a feeble reason to try to justify his actions Maybe he just wants to keep the information present in the way it was first presented.
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