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Post by genghiskhan on May 7, 2014 18:31:33 GMT
and the time gap?
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 18:32:51 GMT
I was having problems with tinypic and i couldn't get it upload properly
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Post by genghiskhan on May 7, 2014 18:35:59 GMT
So it just HAPPENED to be a long time between when i asked and when you posted it and also your shipping explanation doesn't explain shit
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Post by genghiskhan on May 7, 2014 18:37:42 GMT
I suspect this is a combination of stats from your nation and the nation that is sending you 5 cars
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 18:39:50 GMT
Nation 64? Im fairly sure than nation has been destroyed. If you really want i can take screenshots of the trade deals when i get back to my computer but it seems a bit extreme
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Post by genghiskhan on May 7, 2014 18:42:56 GMT
Nation 64? Im fairly sure than nation has been destroyed. If you really want i can take screenshots of the trade deals when i get back to my computer but it seems a bit extreme as if i'm gonna trust another screenshot. I don't really know where you got the other nation but the point is this printscreen is a fraud.
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 18:59:30 GMT
This is totally unreasonable. Your claiming my screen shot is false and basically that I am a fraud based on the fact that I didn't post the print screen straight away as i was having problems with tinypic. In your ignorance, which you admitted to yourself, you said the shipping explanation doesn't make sense, where as I'm sure any competent player knows exactly what I am talking about. I am almost certain that if you ask most players who have undertaking trades their factory output doesn't match up to the resources they own. That is one of the reasons why you have factory efficiency, to encourage people to trade what they have an abundance for (high efficiency) with the goods which they low efficiency in creating
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Post by templars on May 7, 2014 19:53:15 GMT
Trade deals are a legitimate excuse for resources not matching factory output. However, while ...the Mongols shouldn't have asked for screen-shot evidence if he didn't think it could be trusted, the delay between the screenshot and the post does seem surprisingly long, and this is a legitimate ground for suspicion. It is unfortunate that it is impossible for balrog to prove that he isn't running a surplus, but, unless anyone is willing to count all the squares balrog possesses, we'll just have to accept that we can never be sure. However, I think the actions of the WPO are justified. Moria was a history of being very aggressive, in encounters with both other alliances, and with other members of the WPO. He also refused to obey the orders of several senior WPO members for many turns, and attempt to soil the good name of our leader, Lustria, by suggesting he had faked screen-shot evidence, despite it being abundantly clear to all involved in attempting to resolve in the disagreement that the screenshot evidence was accurate, and not faked; the screenshot in question was of the sudden increase in a nation's level of strategic resources, which , fortunately,I was able to check from the in game nation profiles. It is for reason that we are taking limited action to reduce Morian territory on two continents, of which only one is a major colony, and his ownership of this colony is much disputed. If Moria wasn't in our alliance, we would be allowed to stage a limited attack on his disputed territory; our alliance happens to have high standards, and I defend our right to punish members, who deliberately antagonize us, in the same manner. Moria admits to 'exaggerating everything to the extreme' to frustrate our efforts at organizing peace, a clear admission of guilt.
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 7, 2014 20:32:54 GMT
The problem with your post and most of the other posts written by the WPO is the considerable exaggeration put into them.
Firstly, i am in no way an aggressive nation, participation in a total of zero alliance wars and it is highly debatable whether i influenced the war against Choam, although it seems odd that if i was the cause that i didn't get targeted at all in the conflict. Secondly, as already explained the photo shopped print screen was not serious in any way. It was clearly false with an unreachable amount of resources (e.g. 9999999) with of-centred and pixelated numbers. my ownership of the colony is also not disputable, with Lustria also admitting it was mine. You still do not seem to realise why i did not take the debate too seriously, seeing as it was over me having to send ...the Mongols 3 rubber, which i did of coarse later send.
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Post by templars on May 7, 2014 21:49:49 GMT
Firstly, evidence of Morian involvement in starting war with CHOAM, sent to me recently by a member of the WPO, who was in CHOAM at the time of the war. This was, I think, the first attack of that war. As for why you weren't 'targeted', it was as Zealand, the victim of your aggression, defected to the WPO, without retaliating. He was, according to the messages he's sent me, the only member of CHOAM who could easily attack you at that time. Secondly,perhaps next time before replying you might take the trouble to read my post? I didn't claim your print screen was 'serious', but nonetheless in posting it you did 'attempt to soil the good name of our leader, Lustria', as your act of posting fake screen-shot evidence was doubtless intended to make us question the reliability of Lustria's evidence, hence 'soil[ing]' his good name. Finally, I fail to why we are just supposed to accept your refusal to make peace with another member of the alliance or to withdraw units from his sovereign territory, your unwarranted and unprovoked attacks on that members of the alliance, your refusal to accept the peace deal formulated by the democratically elected leadership of our alliance, and your continual lying and misleading of said leadership. Perhaps because you don't take this game 'seriously', as that is of course a totally legitimate excuse for behaving like an a**hole.
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Post by genghiskhan on May 7, 2014 22:35:34 GMT
Firstly, evidence of Morian involvement in starting war with CHOAM, sent to me recently by a member of the WPO, who was in CHOAM at the time of the war. This was, I think, the first attack of that war. As for why you weren't 'targeted', it was as Zealand, the victim of your aggression, defected to the WPO, without retaliating. He was, according to the messages he's sent me, the only member of CHOAM who could easily attack you at that time. Secondly,perhaps next time before replying you might take the trouble to read my post? I didn't claim your print screen was 'serious', but nonetheless in posting it you did 'attempt to soil the good name of our leader, Lustria', as your act of posting fake screen-shot evidence was doubtless intended to make us question the reliability of Lustria's evidence, hence 'soil[ing]' his good name. Finally, I fail to why we are just supposed to accept your refusal to make peace with another member of the alliance or to withdraw units from his sovereign territory, your unwarranted and unprovoked attacks on that members of the alliance, your refusal to accept the peace deal formulated by the democratically elected leadership of our alliance, and your continual lying and misleading of said leadership. Perhaps because you don't take this game 'seriously', as that is of course a totally legitimate excuse for behaving like an a**hole. ^this
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Post by unicornnation on May 7, 2014 22:39:07 GMT
Also, nothing has been done about Moria's colonization of 69. He never posted in the colonization thread that he intended to take part of it, yet did so anyways. If I'm correct, that is a correct violation of PANCAKES. I don't know enough about PANCAKES to deny this, however this statement seems to contradict with some of your actions For example, your post when claiming some of con. 69 says showing you don't have a problem with the land I took. In addition, if this is found to be a violation then you had better investigate Templars and Nowa Polska too who has also taken territory without posting in the colonization thread Just because I'm respecting the borders already established doesn't mean I liked them. I just didn't want to start any type of war over the colonization, which I felt was sure to occur if I barged into the already colonized territory on that continent.
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 8, 2014 7:18:11 GMT
Well i guess debatably being a cause in a war 3 months ago then later taking a screenshot to not pay 3 rubber is an excuse for attacking a fellow alliance member without so much of warning, taking most of his land causing him to go into general strike.
in the future i would like to encourage all other alliance to follow this good practice, as its obviously beneficial to almost all those involved.
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balrog
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Post by balrog on May 8, 2014 7:59:17 GMT
I suggest a trail!
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Post by New Socialistia on May 8, 2014 11:24:47 GMT
It will be very invigorating, I'm sure. I support a trial
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