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Post by CaptainMeme on Apr 25, 2014 12:54:27 GMT
I have moved my troops back to the northern island, after reading Tyrantia's previous message calling for war against vDip and CHAOM. I intend to take just enough land to put him into General Strike (should be 4-5 tiles) so that he cannot move his military to attack us. I will not move any further after that - once the terms of peace are agreed, I will cede the land back to Tyrantia and he will be able to move his military again.
I do not want a moment of madness from Tyrantia to result in another WPO-vDip/CHAOM war, so I am taking precautions to make sure this does not happen.
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Post by Malakal on Apr 25, 2014 13:24:26 GMT
"Calling for war"? If there is continuity as you insist then the war never stopped and you are the aggressor here, as we can see by your actions. Im only asking my alliance to help me defend.
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Post by Birger on Apr 25, 2014 14:25:35 GMT
*sigh*
Let's get this meeting back on track.
We give White Base until Tuesday to prove they are still active.
If White Base are proven to be active, then I will accept Templars suggestion of a split of the continent.
If White Base are proven to be inactive, then I will accept CaptainMeme's suggestion of a split of the continent.
Until Tuesday, I ask all members of all three alliances to keep all their armies within the area marked as belonging to their own alliance in both suggestions. Please keep all armies out of all disputed lands until Tuesday. This includes CaptainMeme's armies on the small island and CHOAM's armies on the large island, please move them back to undisputed lands.
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Post by natotropolis on Apr 25, 2014 14:27:12 GMT
I fail to check the forum for a day and already this has happened? How is this a reasonable course of action for either party when we were on the brink of peace? I understand that none of the agreements were aceptable to both parties, but in that case the logical solution is a rough compromise, not to instantly declare war. Since we have already all agreed that time is not an issue, what reason is there to re-declare war because we can't agree upon a solution quickly?
I believe that both parties are in the wrong here. Tyrantia's declaration of war when his continent was mostly ocupied by forien forces was neither smart nor productive to the peace talks, but CaptainMeme responding by attempting to force a favorable treaty by sending Tyrantia into general strike is not justified when we already had peace. I request that both parties cease both negotiations and military actions until Lustria, Birgeria and Templars return and fix this mess (hopefully soon).
CaptainMeme, attempting to force a favorable peace treaty in this way is against the spirit of vDiplomacy (which has only ever fought in defensive wars and for allies survival). Not only this, but it also sets a dangerous precedent for future agreements. Am I right in thinking that when you enter general strike you are essentially removed from the game? If so, how is this a resonable response to tyrantias ill thought out war request? Are we to do this to white base as well, even though he has not yet has a chance to represent himself?
I had hoped to show everyone how vDiplomacy is an honourable alliance that has never started a war for anything other than defensive reasons and was not obsessed with land. These actions of my alliance are undermining that. If war restarts I am honour bound to support my alliance but that doesent mean I am happy about this.
Lustria and Templars, can you please return and sort this out? We don't need another war.
Also, sorry for the poor spelling and awful punctuation. This was somewhat hurredly written.
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Post by templars on Apr 25, 2014 15:03:09 GMT
Malakal, calm down. I don't think Captain Meme was suggesting the war had never finished, and I doubt you thought he was suggesting this. Birger's suggestion for a peace settlement is reasonable, and personally support it, although I'd like to see Lustria's opinion before the WPO officially accepts it. However, in the meantime all players (particularly tyrantia/malakla and captain meme) need to keep the ceasefire, and remove their armies from all disputed lands, as Birger suggests, as quickly as possible.
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Post by Malakal on Apr 25, 2014 17:41:28 GMT
He is in fact suggesting just that - that the previous war was not over. Thats the single reason for my response. Read his posts, he says that again and again and I wont stand for that.
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Post by templars on Apr 25, 2014 19:17:42 GMT
I assume you are referring to one of these posts by Captain Meme.
While he does say that the conflict has not been resolved, and you would be technically correct in saying the war wasn't over, as neither a ceasefire nor an armistice constitute a formal end to a conflict, at no point does Captain Meme say he doesn't recognise the ceasefire, say he intends to break the ceasefire, or say he intends to attack you or launch an invasion. I think therefore it was slightly extreme to say:
If this was a genuine concern, I think you can stop worrying about it. The three alliances involved have all signed an agreement to prevent future conflict between us, and if any alliance did move to attack you without provocation, you would be assisted by the WPO.
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Post by templars on Apr 26, 2014 8:44:36 GMT
Lustria is currently offline due to technical issues, and has asked me to apologies if this is causing any delay in the peace settlement talks. However,he should be back on this evening (Saturday evening UK time).
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Post by Malakal on Apr 26, 2014 9:35:38 GMT
If this was a genuine concern, I think you can stop worrying about it. The three alliances involved have all signed an agreement to prevent future conflict between us, and if any alliance did move to attack you without provocation, you would be assisted by the WPO. It is as genuine as can be since he continues to invade me abusing the fact that I believed in ceasefire and moved my forces to indefensible positions. Right now he managed to put me in general strike zone just because my leadership asked me to accept a ceasefire without real terms. Please take a look at that at least. |
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Post by CaptainMeme on Apr 26, 2014 10:06:56 GMT
I have withdrawn again, as I said I would.
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Post by templars on Apr 26, 2014 10:38:57 GMT
We need to get this peace settlement settled. Are there any objections to Birger's most recent proposal? (Proposal repeated below)
I think the second part of his proposal is particularly important to avoiding further conflict while this settlement is ratified.
I also agree with natotropolis that
I therefore ask Captain Meme to cede enough land to Tyrantia to remove Tyrantia from general strike as soon as possible, giving this land from the areas that should belong to WPO according to both my (templars) map and your own (Captainmeme's) map.
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Post by Malakal on Apr 26, 2014 11:03:02 GMT
I don't agree on CaptainMeme proposal. He has time and time again proven to be untrustworthy and I don't want him on this continent if I can avoid that.
Let's go with Birgers proposal and adjust if WhiteBase doesn't come back ie if he does not cede some land to Lustria.
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Post by CaptainMeme on Apr 26, 2014 11:10:55 GMT
]I therefore ask Captain Meme to cede enough land to Tyrantia to remove Tyrantia from general strike as soon as possible, giving this land from the areas that should belong to WPO according to both my (templars) map and your own (Captainmeme's) map. Ceded 5 territories on the northern island back to him. Not sure if it will take him out of GS since that doesn't recalculate until the end of the turn, but it should be enough. I'll agree with Birgeria's proposal, unedited (not changed if WB doesn't come back, as Tyrantia is suggesting). |
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Post by natotropolis on Apr 26, 2014 15:07:24 GMT
If needs be I can temporarily cede tyrantia some of my land on another continent until this peace treaty is sorted out. Also, is white base now in general strike? If so, how can he prove himself active?
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Post by CaptainMeme on Apr 26, 2014 15:19:10 GMT
He can prove himself active by sending a message to someone or posting here.
With regard to Tyrantia, I believe he is now out of GS.
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