Peace talks for Continent 65.

I am backing off from the continent now - I have moved my troops out of the northern island and am not proceeding any further with my southern troops. However, I will be keeping them on standby in case this resolution does not work out.




I'm afraid I cannot agree to this due to the section in bold. Firstly, it makes no provision for CHAOM, who aided us when we called for their help in this matter. Secondly, a large part of the south-western area was already vDiplomacy's (and CHAOM's) before Tyrantia attacked Birgeria, and all of it was before Tyrantia and White Base took my lands.

I would much prefer a peace accord that took into account both of these points.

Okay I have come to understand that i was being a bit to hopeful. I think this may work better if you propose a splitting of the continent since you already have troops in the region and are in a much better position to do create a verdict. I shall review your verdict and make my decision on whether I agree or not.

I think that we should move the western border a bit west to make a straight line there with good defensive positions in the mountains.

Also I would like to point out that WhieBase seems to be away and I'm not sure if hes coming back.

This is my suggested split - territory behind the yellow line is WPO, territory behind green is CHAOM, territory behind red is vDiplomacy.

It differs from Birgeria's suggested split in a number of ways, that are probably obvious if you compare the two but I'll point them out:

1) CHAOM land dramatically increased - addition of most of the eastern mainland
2) vDiplomacy land slightly increased - addition of part of south-eastern mainland
3) WPO land dramatically decreased - loss of south-eastern and eastern mainland
4) vDiplomacy/WPO western land border moved backwards slightly to mountainous chokepoint
5) vDiplomacy/WPO/CHAOM border created in the south-eastern mainland

Reasons for these changes:

1) CHAOM was losing a significant amount of land in Birgeria's treaty, as they already own most of the eastern continent of some of the central mainland (most of which would have been taken away), and UNK's western lands were also being removed. These losses are not compensated in Birgeria's treaty so there is really no incentive for CHAOM to accept it.
I think Birgeria's split would make sense if CHAOM's land was all going to one nation, as that nation would be a monster using my split, but here there will need to be two (UNK and Arcadia) accounted for. Therefore, it makes sense to increase the land they are given.
2) vDiplomacy's land needs to be split amongst three countries (Birgeria, CaptainMeme, Natotropolis), so in my eyes it needed to be slightly larger. However, the increase in land is not particularly large - the main reason for this land allocation will be covered in section 5.
3) In order for CHAOM's land to be increase, WPO's had to be decreased. Again, the following is my opinion, but in my eyes WPO received far too much land in Birgeria's split, as if White Base does not return the fact that all this land would go to Tyrantia would create a monster nation. In my split, if White Base does not return there should not be a problem with Tyrantia taking over all WPO land.
This reduction is mainly an inevitable result of section 1, though, rather than mainly being due to the above reason.
4) Malakal/Tyrantia is correct - this border would be better moved to the mountains (and a chokepoint) where it is easier to defend, to discourage any further attacks from either side.
5) This is to create another factor which would discourage any alliance from attacking any other. With a three way border, if any of the three alliances attacks another, the other can come to the defender's aid instantly. I tried to position this border over the mountains (again for the defensive positioning), but there aren't many of them there so that was difficult.
I would suggest this triple border is manned at all times by all three alliances, and the vDip-WPO chokepoint border is also manned, but apart from that the continent should be mainly demilitarized. If more units need to be created there, the nation creating them must have this approved by representatives of the other 2 alliances.

Thoughts?

I have requested the input of my esteemed associate, Thog (see www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0791.html for background on Thog). Thog says, "too much talky talky. malakal not like terms? ok. give thog tanks. thog solve problem."

I disagree, CaptainMeme's proposal is unfair. I think this because this is White Base's and Tyranitia's home continent and both of them have no foreign colonies. Both Tyranitia and White Base are very minor compared to the rest of our multi-continental nations so they should be given more land, because the land they are losing is a far greater proportion in comparison to what the other powers in the continent would lose.

With this in mind I believe that the vDiplomacy territory on the western half should be given to WPO and perhaps the Choam b=order be moved further north. However, I am still open for negotiation but I shall not agree to these terms without there being more benifits given towards WPO members.