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Post by genghiskhan on May 10, 2014 16:03:14 GMT
what is this trial going to determine?
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Post by Arcadia on May 10, 2014 16:21:50 GMT
I would also like to nominate Pencilvania for the jury, in case one of the three nations I nominated earlier (United Kersia, Birgeria, and The Palatinate) is unable to serve.
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Post by toawesomeforepic on May 10, 2014 16:25:29 GMT
what is this trial going to determine? As mentioned before, this trial is meant to determine whether or not this limited war between WPO, and Moria is justified, and if it is going to cause harm to Moria's country in a severe way.
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Post by unicornnation on May 10, 2014 16:35:07 GMT
what is this trial going to determine? As mentioned before, this trial is meant to determine whether or not this limited war between WPO, and Moria is justified, and if it is going to cause harm to Moria's country in a severe way. Well of course it caused harm to Moria, that was the point of the operation.
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Post by toawesomeforepic on May 10, 2014 16:42:32 GMT
As mentioned before, this trial is meant to determine whether or not this limited war between WPO, and Moria is justified, and if it is going to cause harm to Moria's country in a severe way. Well of course it caused harm to Moria, that was the point of the operation. If that is the point of the operation then I shall have to ask all forces by the WPO to back away immediately. Restoring land, and trying to hurt another nation are two different things. If WPO wishes to confirm this then please do, because that would mean war.
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Post by balrog on May 10, 2014 17:13:48 GMT
No that is true, that is exactly the point of the operation. And as I have been told many times:
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Post by balrog on May 10, 2014 17:42:04 GMT
I have copy and pasted the entire thread (Artzoktian Annex Distribution Program) from the WPO forum so if you have the time or interest it can be read, and should be also very useful for the trial. It basically details the supposed cause of this operation (and is also the only information I had of the operation until it happened) realpolitik.freeforums.net/post/244/thread
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Post by genghiskhan on May 10, 2014 22:43:42 GMT
No that is true, that is exactly the point of the operation. And as I have been told many times: >PUNISHED
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Post by balrog on May 10, 2014 22:45:32 GMT
Yes... well done for pointing that out
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Post by genghiskhan on May 10, 2014 22:46:05 GMT
Well of course it caused harm to Moria, that was the point of the operation. If that is the point of the operation then I shall have to ask all forces by the WPO to back away immediately. Restoring land, and trying to hurt another nation are two different things. If WPO wishes to confirm this then please do, because that would mean war. It was both, I was promised land which moria seized illegally and i gave up much of that land in the peace process which Moria consistently held up and tried to trick the leaders etc. and as punishment, my promised land is being returned.
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Post by balrog on May 10, 2014 22:47:15 GMT
no, that wasn't your promised land. Also can we not leave this till the trial?
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Post by unicornnation on May 11, 2014 3:58:51 GMT
I think it is entirely appropriate for officers of an alliance to punish a member of the alliance who is not cooperating with them.
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Post by New Socialistia on May 11, 2014 4:03:20 GMT
Yes, although I feel that the punishment was not appropriate which is why I asked for the trial. This is not merely WPO affairs; Moria is a BAC0N signatory and also a member of my alliance now.
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Post by templars on May 11, 2014 9:29:53 GMT
The operation was not intended to 'cause harm to Moria's country in a severe way', which is why the attack was limited to C47, and his tiny military base on C51. His land on both continents was contested, as the land on C51 was already claimed by Zealand when Moria took it, and the land on C47 was former Artzokian territory which the WPO had decided should go to ...the Mongols. For context, this is Lustria original post on the WPO forum asking who would like to claim land on each continent; nations were matched with the Artzokian land on each of the continents as they applied for them.[Note while it may initially appear as though a large amount of land was given to me, this was not the case as Artzokia's holdings on C1, my home continent, were tiny, and his holdings on C4 were relatively small too.]
As can be seen, Artzokia's considerable territories on C47 were promised to ..the Mongols.
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Post by balrog on May 11, 2014 10:17:16 GMT
You seem to have overlooked that I already owned over half of 47 before Artzokas fall, and therefore should not go to ...the Mongols Even lustria agrees with me there: although some of the points in his post are wrong such as me causing the Choam war, and attacking ...the Mongols to gain territory, the point is that your not even debating that I owned land on con.47, and therefore ...the Mongols could not just claim it. This is massively due to Lustria's initial ignorance and not researching the situation properly, as he clearly did not know that I owned land of C.47 so he couldn't just give away the entire continent (or at least without my consent). Also maybe you don't understand my situation. I am a rather small nation, the only colonies I own were on C.47, C.51 and recently C.69. The land I own on my home continent is rather small, and therefore by taking away my biggest colony on C.47 it would obviously cause severe harm to my nation. How could it possibly not?
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